Episode 4 - Disclosure Day

In Episode 4, Chris and Dar share their thoughts about the movie Disclosure Day. They also honor their dads, and Dar gives Chris a gift for Father's Day.

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Transcript

Viewer Messages and Father's Day

Chris 0:10

And welcome to all of you wherever you are. I'm Chris from La La, and I grew up in the Val. That's the San Fernando Valley of Los Angeles.

Dar 0:17

And hi, I'm Dar. I grew up here in St. George, Utah. Chris and I met online in 2018, and we've been married since October of 2021.

Chris 0:25

And welcome to From La La to Utah, episode four.

Dar 0:28

Yeah, yeah. It's crazy.

Chris 0:30

We've been hearing from viewers.

Dar 0:32

We have. I kind of wanted to kind of shout out to the viewers because it's exciting to hear from people that you know they're paying attention. So we got an email from an audience member, Far Ju. They say, "Hello, I recently came across your channel and just wanted to say how much I enjoyed your content. You present everything so naturally and it makes your videos incredibly fun to watch. You're doing a fantastic job. Keep the awesome videos coming."

Chris 0:55

Natural.

Dar 0:56

Yeah. We do have a natural banter, don't we? We can just talk and talk forever. Especially on road trips.

Chris 1:02

If we're in the same car, we have a natural banter. (Rigid robot style.) Yes, we have a natural I'm sorry, this is the robot Chris.

Dar 1:10

Yes, yes.

Chris 1:10

I'm sorry. Anyway. Yeah, so we got we got we got other comments. Um watch us on YouTube, and we appreciate those of you who actually watch us. Thank you.

Dar 1:19

So from Keith, he said, "You had me at Gen X and Comic Books", which I should shout out. I'm wearing my Gen X, the feral generation.

Chris 1:33

Enterprise F, okay? Enterprise F for those of you wondering.

Dar 1:37

He loves his ships.

Chris 1:38

I love my ships.

Dar 1:39

Yes. Um and Kathryn, she says, "I'm so excited!" Thank you, Kathryn. And then Adriana, uh, she says, "Love your shirt, Chris." This was the Pee Chee from the intro. Yep. Uh "Looking forward to following your show. Also, I love the first time that you met in person was at a protest."

Chris 1:55

And I do know Adriana well. Um, we went to college together. We were the Woodward and Bernstein of the Cal State Northridge Sundial.

Dar 2:03

Sending big love to all of you guys. Thank you so much.

Chris 2:06

And so big love.

Dar 2:08

Um so what's coming up Sunday? Father's Day.

Chris 2:12

Are you sure it's Father's Day? Because I mean, I'm sure you're sure it's not like national um rice day, rice cooker day. Because you know how they have all these various holidays that make no sense.

Dar 2:23

This is a little more significant. Okay. And more worldwide acknowledged, I would say, or more popular than Rice Day.

Chris 2:30

So we shout out to both our dads. Yeah. Um we lost your father about

Dar 2:34

Four years ago. Has it been four years? Yeah, he passed away on June 27th. So, but I I'm really glad that you two had three years together.

Chris 2:43

Yeah, we did.

Dar 2:44

I mean, before he passed.

Chris 2:45

He was amazing. Um, and we can shout out his name, uh Scott Potter. And if you're in the St. George area, you probably know him and were touched by Scott Potter.

Dar 2:53

He was a band... great teacher at Dixie High and Pine View High, um he retired from Lava Ridge Intermediate. Um, he taught band, he taught math, he taught history, but he was such a champion under Baseball Mastery Math. He created a program that a lot of people credit to them finally understanding pre-algebra and algebra. Um so yeah, that's my dad. Just wanted to give him a shout out. And you're ...

Chris 3:18

And my dad. Let's talk about my dad. I'm gonna be with him um on Sunday. Uh he's my he I'm first generation. Um he came from uh Wales and Britain.

Dar 3:30

Served in Vietnam.

Chris 3:32

Served in Vietnam. Yeah. And um he has um liver, severe liver disease. I mean, I'm just gonna say that straight out. So we don't have much more, I don't have much more time with him. And this, you know.

Dar 3:46

So we we're gonna go visit.

Chris 3:47

I we might even talk about another episode how Dar's family, the way they dealt, and there's no one right way to deal with grief, to deal with the loss of a loved one. Um, but the way your family did is a model to me. It's about honoring the person there was, it's about moving on from it, not just dwelling on the loss. Um, and something I, you know, so you know, one of the big things you said to me early on, which is very important, which is make sure you've said everything you wanted to say.

Dar 4:23

Because you never know when they when they're gonna pass on. Say all the things.

Chris 4:26

That goes for if your parents are fine or your loved ones are fine. If you haven't said what you want to say to them, say it. Make peace. I mean, I've I've done that and I can make peace with that. Yeah. Um, but yeah, and um so uh my dad and and my own kids are in um uh you know over there in Southern California. So la la. So I will be uh spending time with them as well, obviously.

Dar 4:52

Yeah. And you're and speaking of you and your kids, we we weren't lucky enough to have kids ourselves. Yeah. Um, but you have two boys that you adore, that you love, and they're grown up now. They're you know, and I I know that you wish you could see them more. Um but I wanted to put a smile on your face. I got you

Chris 5:11

What this is a surprise. You got me.

Dar 5:14

Happy Father's Day. Before you open it, do you remember? So I even though we didn't have kids together, I've still always gotten you a gift for Father's Day, and it's usually like an 80s something. Like I got your first checkerboard Vans for Father's Day. So I try to make it fun, uplifting.

Chris 5:30

We can talk about that too. The fact I never had checkerboard Vans. Number one, do you have size 15 feet?

Dar 5:34

They're hard to find.

Chris 5:35

Anything in your size, but

Dar 5:38

Yeah. So, this is Happy Father's Day just from me. Me and Lottie.

Chris 5:43

Okay. Could be valley in a bag. I don't know. Um this is a total surprise. We put out this she gives me an outline, the scripts, otherwise, it's you know,

Dar 5:53

Yeah, he doesn't he didn't know this.

Chris 5:55

I had no clue. It's not on my screen, our our teleprompter.

Dar 5:59

Nope, it's not.

Chris 5:59

Oh my goodness. (Chris gasps) Oh, look at this, look at this.

Dar 6:05

1X tall, babe.

Chris 6:07

Yeah, 1X tall. I used to wear 4X's, even 5X's.

Dar 6:11

Yeah.

Chris 6:12

I'm wearing one X's.

Dar 6:14

So classic Star Wars and

Chris 6:17

Oh my, how'd you find this?

Dar 6:19

(Dar laughs)

Chris 6:20

Let me put this up here.

Dar 6:22

Yeah.

Chris 6:23

Ed Debevic's.

Dar 6:24

Yeah. Tell the people what Ed Debevic's is.

Chris 6:27

So uh I I don't even know if there still is an Ed in Phoenix where they started.

Dar 6:31

If you know, let us know if they're still around.

Chris 6:33

If you're in the Arizona Phoenix area, let us know if Ed Debevic's is still there. But they branched out and had one in LA. It was the my favorite place. One of my favorite places.

Dar 6:42

And if you've seen the episode of Friends where Monica has the big fake boobs and they're dancing on the tables, it's modeled after Ed Debevic's. Yeah.

Chris 6:49

Um a lot of aspiring actors in LA. Um, gosh, I I wish I remember names right now, but I mean you I used to see their faces because they would play characters there. Yeah. Not just that, but if you've seen Pulp Fiction, you know, where there's a Buddy Holly and all that, that was also modeled after Ed Debevic's. Um, but it wasn't just that. I mean, the atmosphere was amazing. Yeah, but their shakes were the best, pretty much the best shakes.

Dar 7:11

Yeah, I'm gonna add a little Chrisalyn flavor to this because I went to Ed Debevic's in LA one time. I was in college, I went with my choir, and who knows? We may have been in the same place at the same time on the same day and just not even known it. Because I I went there one time, you used to go all the time to the LA. Um, so who knows? We maybe have crossed paths.

Chris 7:32

So shout out to Ed Debevic's, and I you know I but and it's funny, you always see those videos of people who look at pictures of when they're kids at Disney World or Disneyland or something, and they happen to see in the background. Oh my goodness, that's who knows. Um there could have been it's gonna be that afterlife thing, you know, that you review your life, go. By the way, Dar on this day was sitting right behind you, and you never knew it. Um your destiny was right behind you. Right. Um so yeah.

Dar 7:59

Love you.

Chris 8:00

Love you. Now we're making everybody sick again. So let's talk about the rest of our episode.

Dar 8:05

So really quickly, I want to mention

Chris 8:08

We saw Disclosure Day.

Dar 8:09

We saw Disclosure Day. And if you have not seen it, please stop the video now. I do not want you to go on because we are going to release spoilers, we're gonna give our opinions about some things. But um, I do want you to see this after you have seen the movie.

Chris 8:23

We it it's it's a it's one of those movies that you you can't stop talking about.

Dar 8:27

Yeah. Oh, we've been talking about it for two days now.

Chris 8:30

Constantly. So it's pretty much it's why we decided we're gonna pretty much devote the whole episode other than what we just did.

Dar 8:35

Yeah.

Chris 8:35

So we want to give you a little bit of a flavor, but if you haven't seen the movie and you plan to, certainly, um, and we think you, you know, it's

Dar 8:43

I recommend that you do see it.

Chris 8:45

We totally recommend it. Certainly if you're Spielberg fans. Yeah. Um, but um, you know, make sure I I implore you, don't come back to us saying, "Oh, you spoiled the movie." Well, we're telling you right now, fair warning. Do not you know, we're gonna have a break here. Yes. You can stop here. This could be the whole episode if you like. Um because we're not gonna do the you know, turn around or don't listen and then come back. Yeah. Um really quick story. Um way back in the early 80s, and the NBA hadn't gotten huge, you know, the NBA was so downtrodden before Magic Johnson and Larry Bird that they put the games on tape, the NBA Finals on tape delay. So the NBA Final Games would be on 11:30 in Los Angeles. I'm not kidding about this. Look it up. And so in 11 o'clock news, Jim Hill on Channel 2 would say, if you don't want to know what happened in the championship, turn your head away. I'm gonna put the score on the screen.

Dar 9:41

Okay.

Chris 9:42

We're not gonna do that. Right now, we're telling you stop this episode if you don't want to know anything about Disclosure Day.

Dar 9:47

Because we will devote the rest of the show to it.

Chris 9:49

There's no coming back. The rest of the show is devoted to that.

Dar 9:52

Yeah.

Chris 9:53

So with that, um, if you're leaving us, uh, this is like one of those, uh, this is like the Disneyland Railroad. So long, farewell... Yeah. If you're leaving us here at Frontierland, we hope you have an enjoyable stay at Disneyland. If not, stay on and we'll have dinosaurs coming up. Um there's no dinosaurs in Disclosure Day I can tell you that. Um so with that, we'll

Disclosure Day

Chris 10:11

be back. All right, we're back, and we did warn you, if you're still here and you haven't seen the movie, go away. Go home. It's go home. What are you doing? It's over. It's over. But it's not over.

Dar 10:23

No, it's not.

Chris 10:24

And I said, it's a thought-provoking. If you have seen the movie, you know it's something you can't stop talking about.

Dar 10:29

See if this resonates with you, because we're gonna talk. I mean, we started talking, we're like, stop talking, we gotta put this on the film because we had so much to say to each other.

Chris 10:36

So we've talked before. We love Spielberg, John Williams. We've seen John, I've seen John Williams many times at the Hollywood Bowl.

Dar 10:47

You took me for the first time to the Hollywood Bowl and I loved it.

Chris 10:48

Yeah.

Dar 10:48

Um, Spielberg, I wore my Gen X shirt today because I feel like Spielberg for a Gen Xer is iconic. He he did the movies for our whole childhood and our teenage years. And I mean, E.T. is a movie that never needs to be redone. Just is it is a perfect movie.

Chris 11:04

We're we're gonna we got the episode sometimes of what we call perfect movies. Yeah. E.T. is one of them.

Dar 11:08

It's one of them. Um nothing wrong with it. All of the like the Indiana Jones things. Um, I love Close Encounters of the Third Kind. I I feel like as far as space and and and the humanity of what's out there, nobody does it like Spielberg.

Chris 11:23

It's so great. People forget how great Spielberg is at humanity, um, where it feels real. Go back to Jaws and the interactions at the table, especially anything involving kids and parents, he's amazing with. Um, I like to give shouts to certain movies that people may not may not be on your radar as far as Spielberg is concerned. Um if you haven't seen The Fablemans from about two or three years ago, which is really autobiographical of Spielberg's life, of his childhood.

Dar 11:50

Yeah. I mean it is so well done.

Chris 11:52

Um when I when I hear people say there hasn't been a great Spielberg movie in 20 years. No, there has. That's crap. Um Minority Report, especially how prescient it was. Um definitely worth seeing. Um you know, the and just a movie that was a TV movie, and it kind of was his first movie in a way theatrically, but it wasn't because it was released overseas in theaters and only was on TV in the United States, is a movie called Duel. And you see a lot of the blueprint of Jaws in it. Um basically, instead of a shark, it's a mysterious truck, um, a gasoline truck that chases a person. Um great thriller. It has that, all those Spielberg touches are there, so definitely worth seeing. Um let's talk about... oh, go ahead.

Dar 12:42

And then John Williams is back. Like John Williams is 94 years old. And when um Steven went to him and says, Hey, you ready to do another soundtrack? He's like, uh no, I kind of don't want to. And he threw out like four different names of people that could do it that he would recommend.

Chris 12:56

It's like Spielberg's the Godfather. Every time I get out, you push me back in.

Dar 13:00

You mean John Williams? John Williams. Well, well Stephen's the Godfather. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I mean, John wanted to make a graceful exit, and Spielberg wouldn't take no for an answer. And he basically said, as long as you need, we will stretch out the recording. So for six months or more, they allowed John to do things at his own pace just so he could compose the music for this.

Chris 13:21

And we can do a whole episode on what our top five John Williams scores are. Um Superman, obviously.

Dar 13:27

Um, E.T., Shindler's List. Um there's so many movies. I feel like John Williams provided the soundtrack for my youth.

Chris 13:37

Uh all of us.

Dar 13:38

Yeah.

Chris 13:39

I mean, I know, you know, I could also say there's also probably a rock group. I say U2 have a soundtrack for my youth.

Dar 13:45

But for me, it's like Earth, Wind and Fire, Chicago.

Chris 13:48

But as far as music, uh if if your life had a soundtrack, in my head, there's a lot of John Williams' music.

Dar 13:54

Tons! I'll just put it that way. Absolutely.

Chris 13:56

Love him.

Dar 13:56

Love him, love Spielberg, love their collaboration.

Chris 13:59

So Disclosure Day, he collaborated with uh David uh Koepp. Cope, I think, is how you pronounce it.

Dar 14:05

I it's K-O-E-P-P. I looked up the spelling, so

Chris 14:09

Yes, um, and they work I would say he's hit and miss as far as a writer, and you know, we'll get into it. I think there are misses writing-wise in this one.

Dar 14:19

Yeah, as as much as I love Spielberg, and I still think everyone should see this. I felt like it was slightly overworked.

Chris 14:26

Yeah, we'll get into it. It's one of those movies where, and we can tell you straight out, we we l really like the movie, but it's one of those movies you like and go, boy, but if it had done this or if it was this, it'd be better.

Dar 14:38

I wanted to like it more. Yeah.

Chris 14:40

So, you know, it's been out since June 12th, so about one or two weeks. It was number one in the box office. Um, there were 42 drafts um off Spielberg's story. Um, and you can feel it. It it's it it has a sense, and I can tell you as uh a TV reporter when you're on deadline, sometimes it's like you it's not as good as you want to be, but you gotta get it out.

Dar 15:01

So that's what it felt like.

Chris 15:02

It felt like that. And speaking of that, um Emily Blunt, who is Fantastic, amazing.

Dar 15:07

Always love her, but I think she knocked it out of the park more than I've ever seen her.

Chris 15:11

As far as Oscar nominations, I don't know about the movie itself, but she deserves if she doesn't get an Oscar nomination, what the heck?

Dar 15:18

Um she was incredible.

Chris 15:20

But she plays a TV weather reporter um in Kansas City at the NBA NBA.

Dar 15:26

Her character name is Margaret Fairchild.

Chris 15:28

Yeah, and um I will say I'm usually if you see your occupation film, I know I I hear from people in the medical field about things like The Pitt um and other medical dramas, and they they're very you you end up being very critical of if it's accurate. The TV newsroom in this movie is so accurate. Um the the hectic administrator

Dar 15:52

I loved hearing that from you. Yeah, yeah, that they they were able to depict it very clearly.

Chris 15:57

Very well, except for something later in the movie we'll get into. Um and then Josh O'Connor, who I wasn't I'm not super familiar with.

Dar 16:04

No, he's a new face to me.

Chris 16:05

Yeah, yeah, played a cybersecurity expert.

Dar 16:08

But he did a great job, too.

Chris 16:09

Um Colin Firth have always loved, obviously um

Dar 16:12

Mr. Darcy.

Chris 16:12

Mr. Darcy.

Dar 16:13

Which I love, you don't appreciate as much, but not as much.

Chris 16:16

But um but anything, obviously, um like King's Speech. King's Speech, oh fantastic. But he's uh he's kind of the head of this War dex Corporation, a mysterious corporation behind basically almost like an Illuminati corporation.

Dar 16:30

Keeping the truth from citizens, basically.

Chris 16:32

And speaking of U2, Bono's daughter is in this movie, and she Eve Hewson, um She was incredible, I thought. And she's just amazing. She looks more like her mom. If you if you want to look in Bono and and and um his wife are just such an amazing love story. They met in high school when U2 formed.

Dar 16:51

They're definitely Chrisalyn.

Chris 16:52

They're Chrisalyn for sure.

Dar 16:54

Yeah.

Chris 16:54

Um, but she plays a I I I well we're doing she's a former nun, um, but the girlfriend of Daniel, Coleman Domingo, he's kind of a director, uh high manager in the mysterious um Wardex, Wardex who

Dar 17:10

I felt like he was like the number one to Colin Firth. Uh that's what I felt like, or maybe he was in charge of HR or something. I don't know.

Chris 17:17

And then um the boyfriend of Margaret of Emmy Blunt's characters, Wyatt Russell, who um a little Wyatt, uh who a little little uh little trivia, Chris Reed uh covered when he was I was the sports editor of the Pacific Palisades Post, and I covered in one game it was and Kurt and Goldie were there, uh Goldie Hawn, and Wyatt was playing. I was sitting next to Martin Short and his late wife because his son was playing. Um the uh first base coach was John Ritter. This is one game in Little League. Um and um and the umpire was um uh Philip Michael Glazer uh Starsky. This one game.

Dar 18:00

That sounds amazing.

Chris 18:02

And then later that week I did a soccer game where Max Spielberg, of course, uh and and then um Dustin Hoffman's kid was playing soccer.

Dar 18:10

Was Tom Hanks in that same

Chris 18:12

I just ran into him and um over at uh Starbucks because he lived at Palisades was amazing and we can go into that. Um so anyway, a little ADHD diversion there. Um so um it all came off um a New York Times article that Spielberg uh read.

Dar 18:30

Um It was in 2017.

Chris 18:32

Uh "Glowing Auras and Black Money: The Pentagon's Mysterious U.F.O. Program", and it rekindled his interest in UFOs.

Dar 18:39

Um so um I mean clearly he's established a pattern for a love for the the unknown. Um it doesn't necessarily have to be just space, but he's pulled us in how many times related to aliens in space and UFOs, and and I feel like reading this article in 2017 kind of rekindled that in him, and so he goes home and he writes a treatment, and that's the start of this movie that he

Chris 19:01

And he and I have the same feeling about you know, as I think you we obviously you do too, which is that to me, if you're gonna become an advanced species about progressing, and this movie makes a point of it that one of the high points of evolution is empathy.

Dar 19:17

Yeah.

Chris 19:18

And to me, if you're gonna be so advanced that you you know, think about our own present technology and if you know the distances in space, it takes us a week to get to the moon. So it's gonna take us months to get, you know, we're talking getting to another solar system, which right now our current technology we might get there in a couple of you know tens of thousands of years. Um so to get that technology, you have to, I think, advance culturally and society-wise.

Dar 19:47

Well, either find wormholes or bend time and space. Or I mean yeah.

Chris 19:53

There's a speed limit to our knowledge. So anyway, so I guess the point is um, and he points out in interviews that War of the Worlds was an anomaly because it was more of a 9-11 allegory. Remember how we all felt that time.

Dar 20:04

Where the aliens were not benevolent.

Chris 20:05

Where the aliens were not benevolent, good guys.

Dar 20:07

Yeah.

Chris 20:08

But um, and that's only based on the original material, but for the most part, benevolent aliens. And that's the setting of the story.

Dar 20:15

So well, and he he says, I I've never had direct visitation, but I really should. I could be their agent because you know, how many times have I talked on behalf of them and I would represent them well? Like he's kind of disappointed himself.

Chris 20:27

I know you think that there's, you know, he's he's with well, I don't know. He he's really about disclosure. It'd be ironic if he's not disclosing.

Dar 20:35

I'm gonna share a little bit uh probably in the next segment about what I think about that.

Chris 20:38

Yeah, we are. Yeah, we are. So we'll get to take a break and we're gonna get into our really our the crux of our thoughts on the movie. Um we're aiming to be kind but accurate. Yeah. Um and we will be back.

Our Opinion of Disclosure Day

Chris 20:51

All right, we are we're back. Um so now, I mean, we're giving you some ideas, but let's talk about what we actually thought of the movie. Um, and it's one of those movies, in my opinion, that um you come out of and I it's like you like the movie, but boy it had problems. So, I mean, you know, do the old, I mean, it's a thumbs up for me, but

Dar 21:15

Yeah, it's a thumbs up for sure.

Chris 21:17

But it's like a seven out of ten, I think you talk about six out of ten. Yeah. It's it's it it in fact the Rotton Tomato score, I think, in the sixties and seventies. It's about right. It it's like it's a marginal.

Dar 21:29

I'm gonna make a blanket statement that I feel like in a way it would have been better without the action sequences because there was enough content if you just looked at the cerebral side of things, that I felt like it would have been a different type of movie. But here I felt like when they added the action sequences, which I'm sure you'll probably hit on in a little bit, it watered it down because it didn't it didn't feel authentic, it didn't feel like what real people would do.

Chris 21:58

Yeah. Um that was a big part of it. Um, the kind of the certain things that took you out of the the world that he had created here.

Dar 22:08

It felt cookie-cutter in parts

Chris 22:08

But but I will say, but overall, very thought-provoking.

Dar 22:12

Yeah, the concept. Yes.

Chris 22:13

You are gonna talk about this movie.

Dar 22:15

Yes.

Chris 22:15

Well, you do you are. Once again, you've seen it. If you're watching this, you've seen it. If you haven't seen it, why the heck? Anyway.

Dar 22:23

Yes.

Chris 22:24

So um, yeah, but so what did you want to hit on? Like you uh So let's get to the things that you know I I try and be positive about, but yeah, there were some in there were some issues. Um the biggest thing, and some pet peep of mine in movies are characters doing stupid things just to move the plot along. Almost like you've plotted out, you know, I I took a screenwriting class in college. You have beginning, middle, end, um moving things along. I ... now my screenplay professor is gonna be angry if they're watching this, that you don't remember the terms, but you know, there there are there's things, it's almost like the map is there, um, but it's like, oh, we have well it's like you have to get here, so they just gonna have to do this. Um case and a couple cases in point right away. Um and we talked about this the moment that Jane is inside um, Colin Firth's character is taking over her brain.

Dar 23:22

They can dive... So there's a there's a crystal or something, an alien technology that Colin Firth can hold that will allow him to kind of enter someone else's brain. Right. And he does that to Jane because he needs to know where they are, where they're located. And he jumps in and he's basically torturing her, and she's giving information away that she doesn't want to give away. And she's holding her, she's got a crucifix in her hand, and she's squeezing it so high hard that she's causing blood to come out. And so she's she's really fighting it, she's trying not to give in. But he he uses all kinds of manipulation tactics to try to get the information, and she finally she keeps giving him what he wants. And I think you asked me, like, would you want me to come back for you? Right. If I knew that you were a liability and that you know you were a tool to find me. And I said, No, I don't want you to come back.

Chris 24:14

I mean, my thought was, why are you going back? Yeah. You got cle she's basically giving the diversion for you to get away. Not only is he going back, then he's sneaking into the car right next to the agent who mysteriously doesn't see him and can't... has no hearing, must be a you know a hearing-impaired agent or something like that, because they can't he can't hear him. He gets in the car and then goes towards the house, hits a tree, and the whole time going, okay, this is a secret plan, is a div he's doing his own diversion, it's a double twist.

Dar 24:46

Like it looks dumb, but it's probably smart.

Chris 24:47

There were so many moments. There were a couple moments in this movie where it was like in my head, I'm like, okay, there's gonna be a twist here where he's actually looks like he's doing something stupid, but really his genius. No, there's stupid things. Um, and then other things. Uh, there's the formulaic, the moment they get to a train crossing, I knew they're gonna be hit from behind.

Dar 25:05

Yes, to push them into the train, yeah.

Chris 25:07

And so yeah, it felt like the it was almost like it was too predictable, too prosaic. The the screenplay was saying, like, well, you know, oh wait, we're a summer movie. We have to have some action, otherwise people aren't gonna come see it.

Dar 25:18

Yeah. You know, and it watered down the quality, the other message, I thought, the other message that you went there for.

Chris 25:24

Um, I guess one other thing uh I'm gonna mention is once again, you've seen the movie, so the ending. Um by the way, I have no problem with Listen, and that's the end of the movie. I know you had a little bit more of a problem with that. You know, Chris Nolan does this move endings where you have to kind of fill in the rest of the blanks. If done well, it's great. Sometimes it's either it's hit or miss, or you're like, what what? It's over? I was okay. But this comes once again from being in uh in the in journalism. The anchor at the end. I talk about um Blunt being an Oscar nominee. There's something called the Razzies, which go out to the people who are the worst actor, worst actress. Worst supporting actress should be the person who played the anchor at the end of the movie.

Dar 26:11

See, but I don't think I don't think it's her acting. I think it's what they have her do. She's providing way too much commentary, which if you're in journalism, you want to say, I'm seeing this for the first time, let's pay attention, let's watch, let's see if we can figure it out. She's putting her emotional context, she's telling people what to think, and that's not what you do as a journalist.

Chris 26:32

I always say, as a journalist, you don't tell people what to think. A good journalist will tell you um what to think about.

Dar 26:37

Like you present the facts, and then you the the viewer decides what do you do with that information.

Chris 26:42

So the whole, you know, and it turned out looking up, she's um, and I I I don't have her name on the top of my head, and I apologize for this, but um maybe it's I but but it just she w was an anchor at one point um in television news, and just think of a good anchor, they're not gonna be constantly describing, and then well, the thing is the part of the big reveal is like, okay, all this footage is being released. We've already seen a lot of footage in real life, and I've never heard anchor go, well, that convinced me. Oh, they're here, you know. It was like that. It was like it's a little too forced. It's yeah, so basically, as far as I'm concerned, we're gonna go into um the recent release of UFO files in a second. Yeah, but um the big thing is that you don't you need confirmation. Part of the issue right now, which is why we haven't had the Eureka moment that yes, they're they're here, is it's always one person saying, I saw this. It to me, it's gonna come down to either Anderson Cooper is talking with an alien live on TV, and then the same alien talks to other anchors and other networks. It's got to be multiple journalists with different cameras seeing the same thing at once.

Dar 27:59

Um and I I feel like there have been multiple people seeing these these things over time.

Chris 28:04

Um over time, but not at the same moment.

Dar 28:07

Well, I I also feel like if you're gonna see someone, an alien race or an unknown race invading at the same time, there's a problem. Like they're not b benevolent or visiting. They're I I don't think they're there to um protect you at that point. I think they're trying to take over . Anyway

Chris 28:23

I think Yeah, but but uh but the big thing was this it was so and and and one more thing, just the whole um over dramatization of everyone stopping, including North Korean um soldiers, military in their trucks. Who somehow got access to internet that they don't have in North Korea because they don't and are watching on their phones, ooh, it's you know, i i it was it was a little bit in a way, it was like

Dar 28:51

For you, you that really bothered you.

Chris 28:53

It it took me out.

Dar 28:54

For me, I I understand everyone on their phones because a lot of people are anyway.

Chris 28:58

In the moment, yeah.

Dar 28:59

In the moment. But what they didn't tell us, and maybe this is the next movie that's coming, what happens in the next 30 seconds after this? What happens next? Because I, in my head, there's people on the plane going, this is bullshit, this is AI, this is or they're antagonizing each other. It's gonna spark that negative part of humanity that I don't want to see, that I fear we will see. I hope we don't, right?

Chris 29:20

Right. And you and you you didn't get this impression but I did, but the impression I got at the end of the movie is like instantly everyone on earth is convinced. And in my own head canon, it's not me clear in the movie, you don't think it's the case. I thought like her holding that thing did a planet-wide ESP thing like she did individuals. It was like everyone at once knew. Um because otherwise, you know, if you're in St. George, a guy in his pickup, do you think he'd be convinced right away seeing this on the TV like, oh, they're here, and all he'd be like, no, I gotta get to, and I I gotta go.

Dar 29:55

Be careful that you're not making fun.

Chris 29:57

Not making fun of people, but I it's like there are so many skeptical people, super skeptical people on both ends of the spectrum, and there are so many people who are cynical or just are you know nihilists and don't care.

Dar 30:12

But I think you're saying what I see. Like, I feel like her holding that and getting the message out just delivered the message. It didn't make everybody kumbaya all of a sudden. It's how do we and I think that's why the last word of the movie was listen. Because, okay, now that we have the information, it didn't wipe our memory. It wasn't the Men in Black little you know memory eraser. That wasn't what it is. It's now that you've all seen it, you can't unring the bell. Now, what do you do?

Chris 30:37

I will agree with the message of movie though is that, and certainly being a journalist, I believe in total transparency disclosure. So I think you're for there's the um it's another message in the movie that the alien says, which is don't fear what you don't know. Yeah. Um, more trouble in our society is done by cover-ups, by holding back information than releasing information.

Dar 31:01

Well, knowledge is power, right? Knowing is half the battle.

Chris 31:04

And just like I said, you know, we give people something to don't tell them what to think, but what to think about. And, you know, in that case, you have to try you know, if you if you believe that it's it's a benevolent, good information, you have to have faith that other people will see the same, not everybody at once. Um, and that's that's what that's what a true reliable disclosure would be. Otherwise, people aren't gonna, I don't think it'll it'll fall on some deaf a lot more deaf ears.

Dar 31:35

Well, and for this segment, we're out of time. I I want to talk about the AI in the next segment.

Chris 31:40

We are, and we're gonna talk about um a um an episode of uh Mayim Bialik's Breakdown uh podcast. Yeah. Um we're gonna talk about that. We're gonna have a shout out to her, obviousy.

Dar 31:49

We'll be right back.

Chris 31:50

So we're gonna be right back.

Dar 31:50

Thank you!

Mayim Bialik's Breakdown with Ryan Graves

Dar 31:51

Welcome back. So before we the break, uh Chris mentioned the things that kind of pulled him out of the movie, and for me, it was the CGI. Uh I think I expected a higher quality of CGI. I realize logically that in this time you can't really use the real animals. Like you're not gonna bring in a real deer. I think you could use a real cardinal. I think there are some animals that could have been real, but it's just the and I hate to say it because I love Weta Workshop. They did amazing things. They they did the CGI for this.

Chris 32:24

They always do amazing things.

Dar 32:25

It just wasn't realistic enough for me.

Chris 32:27

It felt to me like I was watching Zootopia with the animals, like they were they were Pixar animals.

Dar 32:32

They weren't I think they weren't close enough to reality. They were uh and and they do pay play a pivotal role, so I understand they needed to hit certain notes. I do understand that. Um so for me that kind of pulled me out. I I expected a little higher quality. Um and then and there's a part where you know the little girl's going out in the in the forest and there's snow and you know, she's being led by the animals, and then when there's the reveal, again, I I don't want to spoil it. You you know what I you know what I'm talking about. You know what I'm talking about. When the animals are basically just a cover for the aliens, the aliens are presenting themselves as animals to not scare the little girl. That to me was a I mean, I understand that they're trying to be kind, but that was disturbing to me. I'm like, because I love animals. I'm somebody that has a huge open heart any animal. And so to feel that deception is like, ooh, that really unsettled me a little bit. But once she got on the the ship, they were investigating, they weren't hurting her, they were just researching.

Chris 33:32

If aliens want to be um okay, you know, or like we feel comfortable with them, forget animals. I think they should become Mr. Rogers and Christopher Reeve's Superman, and I'd be like, okay. Yeah, we're okay.

Dar 33:46

I don't know. Maybe I just need to assimilate or process it more. I don't know, but it it unsettled me.

Chris 33:51

It was unsettling. It was it was yeah. Yeah, um, it was more creepy than settling.

Dar 33:56

Yeah.

Chris 33:57

Especially the fact CGI wasn't that good. Yeah. But yeah.

Dar 33:59

Yeah. But

Chris 34:01

And if you want to see a real animal, um, because I know you haven't seen our cat Lottie in this episode, we're gonna show you a video right now of we're looking at her. She is resting and sleeping in her suitcase. Um, so she's in this room, she's just watching us today. So she's not CGI, just so you know.

Dar 34:19

So I want to change a little bit topics. So you and I watched last night my Mayim Bialik's Breakdown, and there was an episode. I I want to get his name right, Ryan Graves. So he is a former former Navy pilot who testified in front of Congress um about the Pentagon's UFO disclosures and the newly released UAP files. So he

Chris 34:40

So what does UAP stand for?

Dar 34:43

So it stands for Unidentified Anomalous Anomalous Something Phenomenon. Phenomenon, yeah. I had it up in the notes above

Chris 34:52

Spielberg says, and I'm with them, just call them UFOs, they're UFOs, unidentified flying objects. I I get they're not always flying, I guess.

Dar 35:00

They're not always flying, and they're not always from space either. They might be from a different timeline.

Chris 35:04

Oh yeah, we didn't go into that.

Dar 35:05

So um, yeah, so anyway, this guy, Ryan Graves, he has enough experience personally that he's been flying and run into things that all of his instruments say are there but he can't see. Or and we're talking radar, sonar, heat, we're we're talking multiple readings that are saying there's something there, but they can't see it. Then he would compare notes with other people in his team, other people on other teams, and they were seeing these things that were starting to become dangerous because they were they were not seeing them, but they knew they were there, and they were following them like 400 miles off of the coast. And so for me, I find it uh really enlightening and interesting to learn what we do know, what evidence do we have? Because we've kind of been told, oh, it's fake, UFOs don't exist. But on the other side, we're like, but are we really alone in the universe? Like, so I'm always trying to gather new information and put it into a framework of how much information can we prove, how much do we know intuitively, how much do we can we read on instrumentation? So I found it really interesting that there's enough evidence to know that people are sharing with Congress. Like, hey, these are things that we need to address. And even today, people are pilots are having issues running into these anomalous objects, and nothing has been done. There's no investigation, at least according to him. He thinks enough is not being done.

Chris 36:33

What I give him credit for, um, I'm more of the skeptic than you are as far as that's concerned, um, is he takes a very journalistic um attitude on this, which is I I saw this, but I haven't confirmed that, you know I haven't confirmed enough information. He's taken the, I'm giving you what to think about, I'm not telling you what to think. He doesn't use the word aliens.

Dar 36:56

And he'll he was the first to say, maybe this is China, maybe this is our own technology or drones using it against us, So he he takes a very guarded approach too.

Chris 37:05

I really think that gives him credibility to me.

Dar 37:08

It does. I would suggest that if you haven't seen that episode, log on to YouTube. I'll put the link in the description. Watch the episode because Mayim Bialik's Breakdown ties right into this Disclosure Day. It does because either you believe there's evidence that's being withheld since the Roswell days, since you know 70 the 70 years, or and that people have had proof but they've kept it from the public because we can't handle it, right? What would we do with it? And would we turn on our turn on each other? Like, look how things kind of broke down during the pandemic. Like, we don't work very well together sometimes. But there's a lot of people who concerted who do make a concerted effort to work together. So it's that, you know, coming back to the end of the film, we need to listen to each other better.

Chris 37:50

And I have to say, um, and the organization that Ryan has formed, it's a nonprofit. Yeah. Um, there are people in it who I used to work with. I, you know, I think I've talked before. I used to work for Robert Bigelow. Look him up. Um he had Skywalker Ranch, he um Bigelow Aerospaces. I was uh PIO for Bigelow Aerospace for a time before it uh went kaput, um, which created space station modules. But anyway, you know, he's long been a big part of this, um, certainly from the Las Vegas area. Um, so I used to interact with a lot of these people, not Graves, but some of the people he works with.

Dar 38:29

The people that Ryan, yeah, Ryan, people that are working with Ryan, you used to work with.

Chris 38:33

So I used to see, you know, and even within that, um, there was the attitude we haven't found the definitive proof yet.

Dar 38:42

Um they wanted to find it. But they want to find it. Yeah.

Chris 38:44

And I get that. And in my my I said, I I I give my own view, which is that I'm kind of in the oh, let's bring in the Enterprise again. This is Enterprise F. Um, I'm in the Prime Directive thing. Yeah. Um this is a really bad special effect. Here we go. Whoa. Um I'm in the Prime Directive thing that I think we are we're just not ready yet. Yeah. Um, I think if aliens are visiting, they don't, you know, there's either one of two things. If they are going, if there is gonna be disclosure, it's either gonna be because we're advanced enough and we've we don't go to war with each other anymore, and we're we're we have empathy to each other on a planet-wide basis that we can join the galactic community, so to speak. I think I think we're the babies in this universe. Um, or we're about to destroy ourselves so much they have to intervene. Yeah. If there's gonna be disclosure soon right now, folks, we're we're not in the first. We're not close to the first. We don't have planet-wide empathy right now. I'm I'm not and I hate to be cynical, but um if if they're gonna if they're gonna disclose right now, it's because we're on the cusp of of doing really bad things at the World Cup, as in um throwing bottles. No, I'm I'm I'm diverging. Um we're just we're we're on the cusp of doing something really bad to each other that they have to intervene.

Dar 40:00

Well, and I've heard stories, I mean, I've watched a lot of interviews building up to this Disclosure Day movie. There are people that have said we typically see them above nuclear facilities. We've even lured them to Earth using nuclear technology. And so I mean, again, this is hearsay, we don't have proof, but even Ryan Graves yesterday said, yes, that is a pattern that we've noticed that if we find these objects, a lot of them are by nuclear facilities. And some and Ryan didn't say this, I heard someone else say that, but they have been known to shut down those facilities.

Chris 40:35

Yeah. And so I mean there's definitely I and the thing is, um, boy, I dealt with this here in St. George. If anyone sees anything in the sky, because we've we've talked in a previous episode that you're stunned to see a plane flying over.

Dar 40:47

Well, that close.

Chris 40:48

People go bonkers. So I used to cover there with you know there weather there is a weather balloon I personally tracked just so I could tell people, no, it's not aliens or UFOs.

Dar 40:56

Yeah, and then we get we get SpaceX um things that we can see their trail.

Chris 40:59

We can see SpaceX launches from from here. Um, you know, so we're in the trajectory that we can see. And two things these days, obviously drones, um, and and two, AI is so good at making things look realistic that it it I as I said, I think for us, for at least for myself, um certainly as a journalist, there has to be multiple, multiple, multiple confirmations.

Dar 41:23

We just need more information.

Chris 41:24

Yeah, yeah. Um, and so that's I said problem at the end of the movie where they're just like, oh, I see video, oh it must be true.

Dar 41:30

Yeah, that was forced.

Chris 41:32

Yeah, um, especially these days. Yeah. Um, which is always a lesson to any of you if you want to be a good um good knowledgeable about life in general right now, especially all the bad stuff in the news, make sure you get things from multiple sources before you spread them around the uh the internet.

Dar 41:49

So um multiple sources and multiple I mean good good sources. You don't want to just talk to five Joe Schmo people. Like, is it Reuters, is it CNN, is it AP, is it New York Times? Who is it? So make sure they're reputable, that they fact check.

Chris 42:04

So I'm really, you know, that's kind of our view on that. And so once again, uh shout out to Mayim Bialik. Um and she also takes a very journalistic approach. You know, she doesn't say it's and so does Ryan.

Dar 42:17

That whole episode was very informative, actually. Um and and they asked a lot of really good skeptical questions, which I really appreciate that about Mayim and her partner. So I'm gonna stop right there because I have a question for the audience when we come back.

Chris 42:30

Yes, we do. So it's gonna be fun. It's gonna be fun.

Dar 42:33

Um We have a couple things planned for the future that I want to talk to you about.

Future Quiz-Off and Star Wars vs Star Trek

Dar 42:37

So. So welcome back. So I have an idea for a future episode. I would like to test your knowledge. And so two things. Number one, I have someone that I want to have you battle for Star Wars trivia.

Chris 42:54

Like another prominent local geek.

Dar 42:55

Yes, another geek who yes, I'm very entertained by this person. So are you, and and he is as much of a geek, or if not.

Chris 43:04

Star Wars and Star Trek, presumably.

Dar 43:06

I don't I don't think he's a Trekker. I don't think so. Well, the person we're thinking of, yeah, we'll we we have you know but anyway, uh in future episodes, pro maybe even next week, it kind of depends on what's when this other person is free. I want to challenge you and him, put put you two head to head against for your Star Wars trivia.

Chris 43:23

That's a date.

Dar 43:24

Okay, sounds good.

Chris 43:25

Well we go on dates anyway.

Dar 43:27

We do. But I also want to ask the audience, I'm gonna put a poll out there. What do you prefer? Are you a what camp are you in? Star Wars or Star Trek? I personally love them both for different reasons. Yes. But I want to know our audience, do you are you a Trekker or are you a Star Wars? Which camp is?

Chris 43:44

I guess we can I guess we can put in the poll too. I don't know. I mean, are you both? And it's okay. Because we we're believers in that. We don't I don't care for the this versus this thing.

Dar 43:53

I I think you can have both. You can have both. Yeah.

Chris 43:56

For different reasons. They're not the same thing. I mean, I think we all can agree on that. Yeah.

Dar 44:00

But I would pre- I will tell you, there is one of them that I would prefer to live in. If I had to choose which which universe or which what would you call it... fandom?

Chris 44:10

We agree. We agree.

Dar 44:10

Which fandom I would live in, I definitely have a favorite.

Chris 44:14

Can we just say it?

Dar 44:15

Okay.

Chris 44:16

Federation.

Dar 44:16

Trek, yeah, for sure.

Chris 44:18

Yeah, easily.

Dar 44:19

Um well, and I'll explain why. Yeah, we'll explain in future episodes. But yeah, you don't have to be like you can love one or the other, but we personally love both. So anyway, I'm gonna put that out there.

Chris 44:30

So yeah, so basically the question is are you Star Wars or Star Trek? Let's do the special effect again. Special effects. Oh no, it's ...

Dar 44:43

Woo hoo! Good job.

Chris 44:44

Um, so yeah, uh, you know, that took uh how much was that out of our budget this week right there?

Dar 44:49

Um I I think it was all your skill. I'll credit you. So that's really all I want to say.

Chris 44:55

There you go. So yeah, so we're gonna that's gonna be a future episode. Um and um, you know, we'll we want to hear from you. And as I said, just you know, just uh we're gonna have a poll uh in this. Yeah. So feel free to uh get your voices in there. But for now, that's gonna be it for this week's show. I love the shirts! Throw me Ed Debevic's really quick if you can. That's yeah, that's look at this!

Dar 45:18

You're worth it, babe.

Chris 45:19

If you have some affiliation or ownership of Ed Debevic's, I don't know if it's still in existence with Phoenix or not, please come back. Whether it's St. George, Utah, Arizona. I love you guys. I miss you. Um they closed in LA. What has it been at least 10 years, I guess. But but um, you know, but what we do want to hear from you with our poll, but also we want to hear your voice. So call us 435-990-5824. That's 435-990-5824. I think it's right there.

Dar 45:52

I'll type it in there.

Chris 45:54

And you can also email us from lala to utah It's mirrored on my screen here, so uh, I don't want to go this way and then we're going over here. fromlalatoutah@ gmail.com. Pretty easy to remember, from lala to utah@ gmail.com.

Dar 46:11

Just share your thoughts. Share your thoughts on the this episode. Ask questions. If there's anything about our relationship you want to know, if there's any advice.

Chris 46:17

Ask questions. Is there anything you want us to disclose?

Dar 46:20

Or a future episode that you're curious that you know that you want to see.

Chris 46:23

We want to hear your thoughts on aliens, all that. Um we'd love to hear from you.

Dar 46:27

So if you leave us a voicemail or an email, we might use that in a future episode.

Chris 46:31

We might use it in a show. So as they say, our lawyers would say, if you call us and leave your voice, it could be potentially used in a future episode.

Dar 46:38

Yes, just so you're aware. Yes. So we hope that you have a great week. Thank you for tuning in with us. Um again, I know time is the most valuable resource that we all share, but you know, we appreciate you being here and we hope that you have a good week.